In a conflict, you want to give people a role. You have the victim, you have the villain, and then you have the hero coming in. My simple point: NATO is not a hero here, the US has not been a hero. We're helping Ukraine like we are helping the Kurds. We use them as our front-line fighters, and then we throw them away. This is how proxy wars work.

— Glenn Diesen on RT’s CrossTalk

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