#usenet
this is is better than twitter a.s.o.
alive and well
I'm using tin
DON'T USE goggle groups - it's just a web interface
usenet has nothing to do with google
From: Paul Edwards mutazilah@gmail.com
Newsgroups: comp.lang.c
Subject: pure C90 newsreader
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2023 14:14:28 -0000 (UTC)The google groups ban finally caused me to prioritize my newsreader software.
Here is the pure C90 code used to post this message:
https://sourceforge.net/p/pdos/gitcode/ci/master/tree/src/pdpnntp.c
(and I can also read using that, but it's another level of pain).
So I'm still using google groups to read.
Replies are going to be difficult I guess.
I run this program under PDOS/386. With qemu
giving me a traditional serial port, and PDOS/386
giving the application a bog-standard C90 stream
to that serial port.BFN. Paul.
The rise and fall of Usenet: How the original social media platform came to be 50 years ago
Long before Facebook existed, or even before the Internet, there was Usenet. Usenet was the first social network. Now, with Google Groups abandoning Usenet, this oldest of all social networks is doomed to disappear.
These days, Usenetâs content is almost entirely spam, but in its day, Usenet was everything that Twitter and Reddit would become and more.
These messages, also known as articles or posts, were submitted to topic categories, which became known as newsgroups. Within those groups, messages were bound together in threads and sub-threads.
Much of the vocabulary we use today to talk about using the net springs from Usenet. Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) files, for example, started on Usenet as summaries of information about a newsgroup, so the members wouldnât need to repeat the basics for newcomers. Flame and flame war, for instance, also started on Usenet.
In many ways, Usenet is a warning about how social networks can go bad. All the same, problems we see today on social networks appeared first on Usenet.
It is really not all unique to Usenet, though. Usenet, like most networks, was better in the beginning, but as more and more masses arrive, moderation is required to keep things civil and on track. As the moderators also move on, some groups/channels devolve into cesspits. All social networks seem to go through these lifecycle stages. And, of course, many people also move onto new networks.
What is fascinating is to see whether older networks have any potential for resuscitation. Can those who really care, if there are enough of them, revive it and rejuvenate the network? Iâve not really seen any old network come in any big way. Yes, Myspace is still around, but it is nothing like it was, and you donât hear much about it at all. Back in the day, users often went to Usenet and IRC for technical support, but most of the tech organisations today moved to mainstream social networks.
Iâm thinking more and more that a massive decentralised federation of networks is more the way to go today. Individual networks can come and go, but the overall federation continues onwards as far as the bigger picture goes.
With centralised individual social networks, their users live or die by the existence of that one network and whatever rules it applies. Usenet is decentralised, and probably explains why it is still around today. Today we all watch the slow demise of a âmodernâ social network such as X-Twitter.
You can still connect to Usenet today by using Mozillaâs Thunderbird E-mail client. The linked post does suggest some Usenet providers to try for accounts.
See https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-rise-and-fall-of-usenet-how-the-original-social-media-platform-came-to-be/
#Blog, #socialnetworks, #technology, #Usenet
This #usenet server is free (text only, no posting, of course)
news.club.cc.cmu.edu
All you need now is #thunderbird, #seamonkey, #lynx, #tin, #slrn, #pan .... to read it. :)
Apropos #frĂźherwarallesbesser - ja, vieles, zumindest im Bereich soziale Netzwerkwerke. Es gab nur ein einziges: #Usenet.
Das war hierarchisch aufgebaut, wer also in Deutschland ein Problem mit NeXT-Hardware hatte, suchte in de.comp.sys.next.hardware um Hilfe (oder im englischsprachigen Pendant: comp.sys.next.hardware). Freizeitradler in de.rec.fahrrad, Pornofreunde in alt.binaries.erotica (was wegen der schieren Menge nur die wenigsten Newsserver hatten) Oder in einer der anderen tausenden Gruppen.
Gerade in den speziellen Gruppen gab es kaum Rauschen, fast jeder Beitrag war sachlich (gilt nicht fĂźr de.alt.flame). Jede(?) Gruppe hatte eine FAQ, die regelmäĂig neu gepostet wurde; es wurde von Neulingen erwartet, daĂ sie die FAQ vor dem Posten gelesen haben. Wer sein Problem verständlich vorbringen konnte und auch beibrachte, was er schon alles zur ProblemlĂśsung versucht hat, der hatte gute Chancen auf kompetente Hilfe.
Themen waren threaded, das bedeutet: Ein neues Thema in derselben Gruppe kollidierte nicht mit anderen Themen dieser Gruppe. Ein Thread konnte Subthreads (Verzweigungen). Jeder Post hatte eine eindeutige ID, die in den Headern einer Antwort referenziert wurde, so war es eindeutig, auf welchen Beitrag sich eine Antwort bezieht.
Man konnte einen Beitrag in mehreren Gruppen posten (Crosspost) und die Antworten in nur eine Gruppe schicken lassen (Follow-up-to)
Jedermann konnte einen eigenen Newsserver betreiben, muĂte aber nicht. Man brauchte fĂźr den eigenen dann jemanden, mit dem man Beiträge austauschen (peeren) konnte.
Man konnte eigene Beiträge ßberall lÜschen (na gut, eigentlich: Man konnte ßberall um LÜschung des eigenen Beitrages bitten)
Es war nicht Echtzeit, d.h., der Druck, mit irgendwas Erster sein zu mĂźssen, war gering, dafĂźr haben sich die Leute mehr Gedanken um Formulierungen, Stil, Eindeutigkeit gemacht (meint mein rosaroter RĂźckspiegel jedenfalls)
Man konnte Beiträge hinterher(!!!) bearbeiten (superseden).
Es gab sehr spezielle Gruppen, zwei mĂśchte ich hervorholen: de.alt.sysadmin,recovery und de.talk.bizarre. In dasr ging es nur um SpaĂ fĂźr Sysadmins. Ab und an tauchte ein Verlierer auf, der aus "recovery" schloĂ, daĂ es hier wohl um Backup-Software ginge. Der wurde dann genĂźĂlich von allen Teilnehmern erlegt und filetiert.
detebe ist Legende, dazu sag' ich mal nix auĂer "Natursektspiele" ;-)
Usenet war (und ist natĂźrlich immer noch) technisch allen Fediversen Ăźberlegen.
Sowas gibts in dieser technischen und sozialen Qualität nicht mehr, leider.
Wir haben uns zurĂźck bewegt.
#HowTo Use Emacs As a #USENET Reader With Gnus ⢠Tux Machines ⨠http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161772 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
How to Set Up #Leafnode as an Offline #USENET Server https://www.maketecheasier.com/set-up-leafnode-offline-usenet-server/ #newsgroups #internet
5 Better #USENET Readers for #GNULinux ⢠Tux Machines ⨠http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161348 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
"First, they all started dropping free #USENET service" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-290122.html#tJan%2029%2011:39:34
"in #USENET [Miguel de Icaza] told me #Gentoo was "eternally broken" (his words)" http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/irc-log-techrights-14012018.html#tJan%2019%2018:16:38
#geminiProtocol now in #usenet / #nntp / #newsgroups "The newsgroup went live yesterday. If your favorite Usenet server isn't currently carrying it, please poke them or direct them to my group: board at big-8.org." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007446.html
Old: A Primer on How to Work With the #USENET Community gemini://gemini.theuse.net/texts/usenet/A%20Primer%20on%20How%20to%20Work%20With%20the%20Usenet%20Community.gmi
#email versus #usenet : "My initial thought was that there is no real reason to move away from the mailing list but it would actually be convenient to separate these discussions from my other emails (this is the only mailing list I use)." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007236.html
Itâs the end of an era as popular Usenet platform #Newzbin shuts down - Techzim â https://www.techzim.co.zw/2021/08/its-the-end-of-an-era-as-popular-usenet-platform-newzbin-shuts-down/ äˇ #techzim #newsgroup #nntp #usenet
â NEWS â #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights â #Usenet #Giant Newzbin Shuts Down, BREIN Still Intends to Pursue Operators https://torrentfreak.com/usenet-giant-newzbin-shuts-down-brein-still-intends-to-pursue-operators-210826/
â NEWS â #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights â #Usenet Indexer NZBXS.com Shares User Details With Anti- #sharing Group and Shuts Down https://torrentfreak.com/usenet-indexer-nzbxs-com-shares-user-details-with-anti-piracy-group-and-shuts-down-210825/
Hi nerds!
Do you know any FREE USENET news servers anymore?
Like news.neodome.net but with option to send binaries.
Geographical location does not matter.
Thank you for your reply.
#usenet #news #server #binary