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Commenter says Elon Musk's ideas "border on genius"

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In this week's comments update, readers are debating Elon Musk's plan to construct the North Miami Beach Loop tunnel and discussing other top stories.

Musk's infrastructure firm The Boring Company has submitted plans to construct the North Miami Beach Loop tunnel in Miami, which would shuttle people in a dedicated fleet of Tesla cars from the north of the city to the beach.

According to a proposal seen by Business Insider, the six-mile-long tunnel would connect the commuter railway station at Golden Glades with Sunny Isles Beach on the city's eastern coast.

"How's this different from an underground railway?"

Readers are divided. "Amazing," said Squiddy. "I'm a big fan of long tunnels with no escape provisions and cars that have a habit of spontaneously bursting into flames or stopping and locking everyone inside. Another fantastic idea from Mr. Musk."

"How's this different from an underground railway?" asked Simon Evans.

Dave W replied: "It is so easy to ridicule new ideas and the outside-the-box thinkers that create them. This is Elon's version of the Paris Metro, the London Tube, or my own Vancouver Sky Train. It is not a new idea in itself, but it might be worth the effort to think about it for a while. There are a number of advantages that such a system brings to mind."

Muckers 270 agreed: "It's easy to ridicule Elon Musk's ideas but one has to think that those that never actually see the light of day must have a degree of lunacy almost bordering on genius."

What do you think of the North Miami Beach Loop tunnel? Join the discussion ›

2022-shaped building in QatarQatar builds 2022-shaped building to mark World Cup year

Commenter calls 2022-shaped Qatar building "timeless"

Readers are discussing architect Ibrahim M Jaidah's design for a building in Doha, Qatar, that's in the shape of the year 2022. It was created to coincide with the country hosting the FIFA World Cup.

"Looks a bit dated," joked Tom.

"Timeless," added Davvid.

"Just another 180 years and it's relevant again," concluded JayCee.

Are commenters missing the point? Join the discussion ›

Adjaye Mass timber Plants Quayside TorontoAdjaye Associates designs mass-timber building covered in plants for Toronto's waterfront

Readers predict "a lot of dead plants" on Adjaye Associates-designed building

Commenters aren't convinced by Adjaye Associates' design for a plant-covered building that will form part of a development on Toronto's waterfront.

"For the one month in summer when you can use your balcony, it will be great," said Bubba10. "However, I have heard that in other green buildings with planted balconies, the mosquitoes are so bad that the residents can't open their glass doors."

"Winter is not as long as it used to be," replied Design Junkie. "But I foresee a lot of dead plants and trees in this seasonal climate. It's often very windy down on the waterfront. I fear this place in the winter will look like a dry dead forest."

Jacapo had other thoughts: "I would be curious to know what the costs are of maintaining it added to the monthly building expenses and how much it works out as per apartment each month. Either way, rich people can afford it, and actually, they give work to people tending the plants."

Are you sold on Timber House? Join the discussion ›

Image of the high-rise church among other tall buildingsBehet Bondzio Lin Architekten combines "sacred and ordinary" in concrete church tower

Commenters call concrete church "medieval and war-like"

Readers are intrigued by a church and social welfare centre in New Taipei City, Taiwan, designed by German practice Behet Bondzio Lin Architekten. It is housed in a high-rise concrete block topped with an angular roof.

"This structure is very medieval and war-like in its appearance," said Ken Steffes.

"Wow," continued Chris. "An acoustic drumset probably sounds fantastic in this massively reflective space... The design doesn't seem fit for use."

"This is what we call having the highest spirits," added Pavarreon. "Take a lift from the altar and climb to God. Interesting new age cathedral. It is surprising to look at this kind of brutalist edifice. Perhaps to catch God's attention?"

Are you worshiping Tamkang Church? Join the discussion ›

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Elon Musk's plan for a Tesla tunnel in Miami features in today's Dezeen Debate newsletter

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The latest edition of Dezeen Debate features Elon Musk's plan to construct the North Miami Beach Loop tunnel in Miami.

Musk's infrastructure firm The Boring Company has submitted plans to build a tunnel that would shuttle people in a dedicated fleet of Tesla cars from the north of Miami to the beach.

Measuring six miles long the tunnel would connect the commuter railway station at Golden Glades with Sunny Isles Beach on the city's eastern coast.

Commenters aren't keen. One called it, "possibly the most useless idea ever".

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Other stories in this week's newsletter include a pool house built from red concrete in Belgium, Kim Kardashian's Tadao Ando and Kengo Kuma-design holiday homes and our lookbook showcasing 10 home interiors with distinctive terrazzo floors.

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Elon Musk proposes Tesla tunnel in Miami to "solve traffic and be an example to the world"

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Entrance to The Boring Company's LVCC Loop system with white Teslas in front, used to illustrate a story about the North Miami Beach Loop

Elon Musk's infrastructure firm The Boring Company has submitted plans to construct the North Miami Beach Loop tunnel in Miami, which would shuttle people in a dedicated fleet of Tesla cars from the north of the city to the beach.

The six-mile-long tunnel would connect the commuter railway station at Golden Glades with Sunny Isles Beach on the city's eastern coast, according to a proposal seen by Business Insider.

"Cars and trucks stuck in traffic generate megatons of toxic gases and particulate," Musk tweeted. "Road tunnels under Miami would solve traffic and be an example to the world."

Portrait of Elon MuskElon Musk (above) is planning a tunnel in Miami

If approved, the tunnel system will have seven stations and could transport around 7,500 passengers an hour.

Rather than opening up the underground routes to all types of cars and their drivers, the tunnels would be serviced exclusively by electric vehicles from Musk's car brand Tesla.

Pedestrians would catch a ride in one of these vehicles, which unlike trains and buses would carry them directly to their destination without taking multiple stops in between.

This system is eventually meant to function autonomously with the help of self-driving cars travelling at up to 150 miles per hour, compared to the usual maximum of 65 miles per hour reached by underground trains.

Chicago Express Loop by Elon MuskEventually, the underground network could be serviced by driverless Tesla vehicles

But until the relevant technology is developed and approved, the cars would need to be manned by human drivers much like in The Boring Company's three-stop transit tunnel system underneath the Las Vegas Convention Centre (LVCC), which opened in April 2021.

Musk argues that Loop systems like this could offer a more efficient alternative to traditional public transport, which he described as "a pain in the ass".

But his concept, jokingly known as "Teslas in Tunnels" has been criticised for effectively reinventing buses while carrying far fewer people.

Miami officials looking for public funding to finance tunnel

The North Miami Beach Loop would have an initial carrying capacity of 7,500 passengers an hour that could ultimately be scaled up to 15,000 people, according to The Boring Company's proposal.

Its original 6.2-miles route could also be extended to the northwest to connect to the Hard Rock Stadium, which is home to the Miami Dolphins football team, as well as to the southeast to service Florida International University's waterfront Biscayne Bay Campus.

North Miami Beach is currently looking at securing public funding to finance its transit tunnel system, the city's commissioner Michael Joseph told Business Insider.

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Elon Musk submits bid to build beach tunnel transport system in Florida

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With an expedited permitting process, The Boring Company estimates the system could be constructed in less than three years for between $185 million and $220 million.

This compares to subway extensions in New York and Los Angeles, which are set to cost $6.9 billion and $8.5 billion respectively.

The firm says it's able to construct "mega-infrastructure projects in a matter of weeks instead of years" and at a much lower price due to its Prufrock boring machines, which dig tunnels and reinforce them simultaneously. But a number of civil and tunnel engineering experts have raised doubts about the validity of these claims.

Expanding and moving forward with plans for the "Vegas Loop." #ClarkCounty Commissioners just approved an agreement with the @boringcompany to establish and maintain a transportation system that will go under the Las Vegas Strip. It will also go to @AllegiantStadm and @UNLV. pic.twitter.com/2ju3xcFq7O

— Clark County Nevada (@ClarkCountyNV) October 20, 2021

The Boring Company has also put forward plans for similar tunnel systems in San Antonio, Texas, and Fort Lauderdale, Florida, with the latter already approved by city officials.

But most of the firm's previous proposals, including a tunnel connecting New York to Washington DC as well as underground transport networks in Chicago and Los Angeles, were ultimately dropped due to regulatory hurdles.

One major exception is the Vegas Loop – a privately-funded extension of The Boring Company's existing tunnel system under the LVCC that is currently under construction.

Once completed, it will have 51 stations across the city and be able to transport 57,000 passengers per hour.

The main photo is by Duncan Hull.

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